Captain_Wolf
24th May 2007, 02:13 AM
What the hell has happened to the forums? Everywhere I look there are flame wars, bitching, "I hate player X" threads. What happened to the mature friendly forum of old? And what are the admins doing about it?
Just to be clear I am just a concerned forum member and I am not trying to lay blame on anyone in particular. I have the utmost respect for the forum admins and I recognize the time and effort that they put in just to keep the forums up and running.
However Spearheaded by the recent attacks on PhotoShop in particular I feel I must speak out. No one should be subjected to the flaming and full on insults that he has had to put up with in the last few days. If I was him I probably would have left the forum already. Lets be clear PhotoShop has done nothing but be a fine upstanding member of the forum and PR for as long as I have been here (photo and sniper showed me the ropes way back) he is also responsible for the commendations thread and is busy planning tournaments and campaign missions for us all to play, out of his free time I might add. So what gives anyone the right to treat him so badly? (and no I don't have a hard-on for photo however he is a top bloke and a perfect example)
While I can't find any official rules thread for the forums I would assume that abusing other players is at least an offence that the admins would punish quite harshly or better yet be grounds for temporary/permanent bans. This may already be the case, however considering that the amount or abusive behavior is spiraling out of control it is not working and more harsh steps need to be taken to protect us from abusive members.
On the topic of bitching, PR is a game, it is not perfect, and it is not easy. You will die and you will say "that is bull*** I shot that guy like 20 times". Just keep in mind that when you kill someone else they are likely to say the same thing about you. Following this thought to it's logical conclusion. If you think they are cheap, vannila noobs, underhanded, jerks, etc. Then would they not be within their rights to think the same of you? But think about it, are you any of the above? You would say no wouldn't you. So either all of us are cheap, vannila noob, asshats, or none of us are.
Either we accept that in PR we will get wasted by the guy with the heli/tank/arty/rifle/mine/C4/knife/etc or we don't play. Don't you think the dev team knows what you should and shouldn't be able to do in the game. Simply put if you weren't supposed to do it then you wouldn't be able to because the devs wouldn't code it into the game; if you were supposed to spawn quickly you would, if you weren't supposed to mine/C4 there would not be mines and C4, if you weren't supposed sabotage there would not be a spec ops kit, etc, etc.
Maybe we should all go play the sims where the worst thing that can happen is there is a fire in the kitchen because the mother of the family doesn't know how to cook well and the reaper comes in off the patio, collects her smoking corpse and is on his merry way. (thanks to my GF for that one)
Personally I would rather be chilling on the side skid of the littlebird heading straight at the market knowing full well that there are probably half a dozen cheap, vannila noob, hacks waiting with RPGs and machineguns to kill me in the most unfair way humanly possible. Hell we probably won't even get the chance to land. But will I rage quit and come post flame threads in the forum like: (BTW not a quote it just looks better this way)
"Oh player X killed me with the heavy AT while I was trying to get out of the littlebird at the market flag THAT WAS SO CHEAP. What a noob, doesn't he know that he should call USMC base and get an appointment with the carrier commander and ask him permission to shoot at USMC assets??? We should make it a rule that the enemy has to let us disembark from the heli and find a good spot to hide maybe they could count to 10 then say "ready or not here I come!". Oh and we have to tell the dev team that they have to make all the guns, assets, and uniforms the same so no one has a advantage in anyway. And there should be an option that comes up when you get shot that asks if you want to die so you don't have to when you don't want to. And if you don't like my personal views it is because you are not a team player, and you are a jerk/noob/asshat/etc. and you should go back to vanilla!!!"
NO I WON'T.... NOT EVER!
I'll say "damn that didn't work like I planned lets try a different approach guys" or "nice try guys man I hate this map" or "next time they're ours"
It is a game in the end, don't like it don't play it. And remember it is only at 0.5 so it is not perfect and it is not finished, it is also not perfectly balanced all the time.
IT IS AWESOME AND IT IS FREE SO ENJOY IT OR MOVE ON TO THE NEXT BIG THING PLEASE. The same goes for the forums and I want the forums to stay awesome and free!!
Thank you for your time and patience to read this long winded post. I hope I have given you maybe a few laughs and more importantly a bit of a reminder that you are each but a small part of the machine that is PR and it only takes a few bad parts to make the whole machine break. And you know what happens to things when they break people hit them then they get rid of them. I really don't want that to happen to our community.
Thank you to the admins for the forum and thank you to the PR team for the mod.
P.S. This is not a thread for people to discuss ANYTHING other than the topic at hand, no flaming, no bitching, and no talking about game balance/rules/incidents. This is about forum and game attitudes and just being nice for god's sake not to mention constructive. I would implore the admins to help enforce this for me by deleting any offending posts pretty please.
EDIT: Bad speeling and gramar
Just to be clear I am just a concerned forum member and I am not trying to lay blame on anyone in particular. I have the utmost respect for the forum admins and I recognize the time and effort that they put in just to keep the forums up and running.
However Spearheaded by the recent attacks on PhotoShop in particular I feel I must speak out. No one should be subjected to the flaming and full on insults that he has had to put up with in the last few days. If I was him I probably would have left the forum already. Lets be clear PhotoShop has done nothing but be a fine upstanding member of the forum and PR for as long as I have been here (photo and sniper showed me the ropes way back) he is also responsible for the commendations thread and is busy planning tournaments and campaign missions for us all to play, out of his free time I might add. So what gives anyone the right to treat him so badly? (and no I don't have a hard-on for photo however he is a top bloke and a perfect example)
While I can't find any official rules thread for the forums I would assume that abusing other players is at least an offence that the admins would punish quite harshly or better yet be grounds for temporary/permanent bans. This may already be the case, however considering that the amount or abusive behavior is spiraling out of control it is not working and more harsh steps need to be taken to protect us from abusive members.
On the topic of bitching, PR is a game, it is not perfect, and it is not easy. You will die and you will say "that is bull*** I shot that guy like 20 times". Just keep in mind that when you kill someone else they are likely to say the same thing about you. Following this thought to it's logical conclusion. If you think they are cheap, vannila noobs, underhanded, jerks, etc. Then would they not be within their rights to think the same of you? But think about it, are you any of the above? You would say no wouldn't you. So either all of us are cheap, vannila noob, asshats, or none of us are.
Either we accept that in PR we will get wasted by the guy with the heli/tank/arty/rifle/mine/C4/knife/etc or we don't play. Don't you think the dev team knows what you should and shouldn't be able to do in the game. Simply put if you weren't supposed to do it then you wouldn't be able to because the devs wouldn't code it into the game; if you were supposed to spawn quickly you would, if you weren't supposed to mine/C4 there would not be mines and C4, if you weren't supposed sabotage there would not be a spec ops kit, etc, etc.
Maybe we should all go play the sims where the worst thing that can happen is there is a fire in the kitchen because the mother of the family doesn't know how to cook well and the reaper comes in off the patio, collects her smoking corpse and is on his merry way. (thanks to my GF for that one)
Personally I would rather be chilling on the side skid of the littlebird heading straight at the market knowing full well that there are probably half a dozen cheap, vannila noob, hacks waiting with RPGs and machineguns to kill me in the most unfair way humanly possible. Hell we probably won't even get the chance to land. But will I rage quit and come post flame threads in the forum like: (BTW not a quote it just looks better this way)
"Oh player X killed me with the heavy AT while I was trying to get out of the littlebird at the market flag THAT WAS SO CHEAP. What a noob, doesn't he know that he should call USMC base and get an appointment with the carrier commander and ask him permission to shoot at USMC assets??? We should make it a rule that the enemy has to let us disembark from the heli and find a good spot to hide maybe they could count to 10 then say "ready or not here I come!". Oh and we have to tell the dev team that they have to make all the guns, assets, and uniforms the same so no one has a advantage in anyway. And there should be an option that comes up when you get shot that asks if you want to die so you don't have to when you don't want to. And if you don't like my personal views it is because you are not a team player, and you are a jerk/noob/asshat/etc. and you should go back to vanilla!!!"
NO I WON'T.... NOT EVER!
I'll say "damn that didn't work like I planned lets try a different approach guys" or "nice try guys man I hate this map" or "next time they're ours"
It is a game in the end, don't like it don't play it. And remember it is only at 0.5 so it is not perfect and it is not finished, it is also not perfectly balanced all the time.
IT IS AWESOME AND IT IS FREE SO ENJOY IT OR MOVE ON TO THE NEXT BIG THING PLEASE. The same goes for the forums and I want the forums to stay awesome and free!!
Thank you for your time and patience to read this long winded post. I hope I have given you maybe a few laughs and more importantly a bit of a reminder that you are each but a small part of the machine that is PR and it only takes a few bad parts to make the whole machine break. And you know what happens to things when they break people hit them then they get rid of them. I really don't want that to happen to our community.
Thank you to the admins for the forum and thank you to the PR team for the mod.
P.S. This is not a thread for people to discuss ANYTHING other than the topic at hand, no flaming, no bitching, and no talking about game balance/rules/incidents. This is about forum and game attitudes and just being nice for god's sake not to mention constructive. I would implore the admins to help enforce this for me by deleting any offending posts pretty please.
EDIT: Bad speeling and gramar