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VisOne
25th March 2008, 07:35 PM
I've being talking to my brother today and I'm looking for a stop gap video card it has to be AGP and worth having my only real current selection is the Radeon card below. Since I cannot for the life of me find a decent AGP card instock in Brisbane anyway I though I might ask the geeker members what they think.


PowerColour ATI Radeon HD3850 512M DDR3 2DH AGP (http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.pht ml?id=10&id2=6&bid=2&sid=29174)
Internet Price: $295.00

Product Details
Product Name: PowerColour ATI Radeon HD3850 512M DDR3 2DH AGP
Warranty: 12 mths
Manufactures: Power colour
Weight(kg): 0
Product link:

Product Description:

* 666 million transistors on 55nm fabrication process
* 256-bit GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
* Ring Bus Memory Controller
o Fully distributed design with 512-bit internal ring bus for memory reads and writes
+ Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
* Microsoft® DirectX® 10.1 support
o Shader Model 4.1
o 32-bit floating point texture filtering
o Indexed cube map arrays
o Independent blend modes per render target
o Pixel coverage sample masking
o Read/write multi-sample surfaces with shaders
o Gather4 texture fetching
* Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture
o 320 stream processing units
+ Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
+ Common instruction set and texture unit access supported for all types of shaders
+ Dedicated branch execution units and texture address processors
o 128-bit floating point precision for all operations
o Command processor for reduced CPU overhead
o Shader instruction and constant caches
o Up to 80 texture fetches per clock cycle
o Up to 128 textures per pixel
o Fully associative multi-level texture cache design
o DXTC and 3Dc+ texture compression
o High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)
o Fully associative texture Z/stencil cache designs
o Double-sided hierarchical Z/stencil buffer
o Early Z test, Re-Z, Z Range optimization, and Fast Z Clear
o Lossless Z & stencil compression (up to 128:1)
o Lossless color compression (up to 8:1)
o 8 render targets (MRTs) with anti-aliasing support
o Physics processing support
* Anti-aliasing features
o Multi-sample anti-aliasing (2, 4, or 8 samples per pixel)
o Up to 24x Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing (CFAA) for improved quality
o Adaptive super-sampling and multi-sampling
o Temporal anti-aliasing
o Gamma correct
o Super AA (ATI CrossFire™ configurations only)
o All anti-aliasing features compatible with HDR rendering
* Dynamic Geometry Acceleration
o High performance vertex cache
o Programmable tessellation unit
o Accelerated geometry shader path for geometry amplification
o Memory read/write cache for improved stream output performance
* Texture filtering features
o 2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes (up to 128 taps per pixel)
o 128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering
o Bicubic filtering
o sRGB filtering (gamma/degamma)
o Percentage Closer Filtering (PCF)
o Depth & stencil texture (DST) format support
o Shared exponent HDR (RGBE 9:9:9:5) texture format support
* OpenGL 2.0 support
 
* ATI Avivo™ HD Video and Display Platform
o Dedicated unified video decoder (UVD) for H.264/AVC and VC-1 video formats
+ High definition (HD) playback of both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats
o Hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2, and DivX video decode acceleration
+ Motion compensation and IDCT
o ATI Avivo Video Post Processor
+ Color space conversion
+ Chroma subsampling format conversion
+ Horizontal and vertical scaling
+ Gamma correction
+ Advanced vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing
+ De-blocking and noise reduction filtering
+ Detail enhancement
+ Inverse telecine (2:2 and 3:2 pull-down correction)
+ Bad edit correction
o Two independent display controllers
+ Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls and video overlays for each display
+ Full 30-bit display processing
+ Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion
+ Spatial/temporal dithering provides 30-bit color quality on 24-bit and 18-bit displays
+ High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all display outputs
+ Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays
+ Fast, glitch-free mode switching
+ Hardware cursor
o Two integrated dual-link DVI display outputs
+ Each supports 18-, 24-, and 30-bit digital displays at all resolutions up to 1920x1200 (single-link DVI) or 2560x1600 (dual-link DVI)2
+ Each includes a dual-link HDCP encoder with on-chip key storage for high resolution playback of protected content3
o Two integrated 400 MHz 30-bit RAMDACs
+ Each supports analog displays connected by VGA at all resolutions up to 2048x15362
o Integrated AMD Xilleon™ HDTV encoder
+ Provides high quality analog TV output (component/S-video/composite)
+ Supports SDTV and HDTV resolutions
+ Underscan and overscan compensation
o MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264/AVC encoding and transcoding
o Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
o VGA mode support on all display outputs
* ATI PowerPlay™
o Advanced power management technology for optimal performance and power savings
o Performance-on-Demand
+ Constantly monitors GPU activity, dynamically adjusting clocks and voltage based on user scenario
+ Clock and memory speed throttling
+ Voltage switching
+ Dynamic clock gating
o Central thermal management – on-chip sensor monitors GPU temperature and triggers thermal actions as required

1 Dual channel interconnect is not required for ATI CrossFire, and may not be included in all product configurations
2 Some custom resolutions require user configuration
3 HDCP support for playback of protected content requires connection to a HDCP capable display

The only real down point of this card for me is its a Radeon I have never had one before, what is the major difference between them and Nvidia ? Will I be able to simple plug & play with this of course I will need to get drivers and what not but I won't need to reformat or anything will I ? The other thing if someone can find me a good Nvidia card thats for sale in the inner city of Brisbane then send me a link my way I am interested other wide I'm off to but this tomorrow.

daveee
25th March 2008, 07:40 PM
Save your cash and just get a new PC.

Fallen.
25th March 2008, 07:44 PM
bite the bullet and get a pci-e mb new cpu and ddr2 ram and a 9600gt.
you will just end up wasting the money spent on an agp card in 3-6 months

:hi:

GruAncH
25th March 2008, 07:57 PM
Yeah $295 on an AGP is prolly a waste unless you REALLY don't wanna or cant upgrade anytime soon... Save ya dough or buy a nice PCIe Graphics Card and force yourself to upgrade..

daveee
25th March 2008, 08:03 PM
9600GT $200~
P35-DS3P $150
2GB DDR2 el Cheapo $77
E3110 $330~

new pc ahoy

VisOne
25th March 2008, 08:09 PM
My brother will build my new pc later this year I'm after a stop gap for now that will fix the blockage that my current card is creating in this PC & will extend the life of this PC so I can use it as day to day computer.

So no "biting the bullet" I'll waste my money if I want, :P anyway anyone want to have a shot at answering the questions I asked?

daveee
25th March 2008, 08:12 PM
You wont have to format, you'll just need to remove the old card and its drivers (do this bit first). Shut down, plug new card in, install drivers. Away you go.

What is your current videocard and cpu?

VisOne
25th March 2008, 08:16 PM
I think its this processor: x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 7 GenuineIntel ~2800 Mhz, I know this is my video card: Nvidia Geforce 6800 GT 256MB.

daveee
25th March 2008, 08:18 PM
So a P4 2.8....yeh not the greatest. 6800GT is pretty ordinary for PR too.

http://staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=7600GT+ AGP+state%3Aqld

Maybe go for one of them, a bit cheaper.

Jim
25th March 2008, 08:26 PM
Check you PSU.

I learnt the hard way with my x1950 that these cards eat power for lunch - and they often dont tell you that until after you get the box in your hands. I went back to check recommended power ratings on various sites where I could purchase the card as well as the site I actually ordered through, and the manufacturers site - not easy info to find!

That said, the x1950 is a great card, and I believe the 3850 is the next step up, so it would have to be good IMO.
P.S. mines a powecolor too.

VisOne
25th March 2008, 08:32 PM
Daveee has suggested I buy this instead

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.pht ml?id=10&id2=6&bid=2&sid=26346

MSI NX7600GT 512M AGP DVI-I
Internet Price: $149.00
Product Details
Product Name: MSI NX7600GT 512M AGP DVI-I
Warranty: 12 mths
Manufactures: MSI
Weight(kg): 0
Product link:

Product Description:
Full Microsoft® Direct® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 Support
The standard for today's Purchase and next-generation consoles enables stunning and complex efects for cinematic realism. NVIDIA® GPUs offer the most complete implementation of the Shader Model 3.0 feature set -- including vertex texture fetch (VTF) -- to ensure top-notch compatibility and performance for all DirectX9 applications.

True High Dynamic-Range (HDR) Rendering Support
The ultimate lighting effects bring environments to life for a truly immersive, ultrareailstic
experience. Based on the OpenEXR technology from Industrial Light and Magic, NVIDIA's 64-bit texture implementation delivers state-of-the-art high dynamic-range (HDR) visual effects through floating point capabilities in shading, filtering, texturing, and blending.

NVIDIA® CineFX® 4.0 Engine
Delivers advanced visual effects at unimaginable speeds. Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 enables stunning and complex special effects. Next-generation shader architecture with new texture unit design streamlines texture processing for faster and smoother gameplay.

NVIDIA® SLI™ Technology
Delivers up to 2x the performance of a single GPU speeds. Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 enables stunning and complex special effects. Next-generation shader architecture with new texture unit design streamlines texture processing for faster and smoother gameplay.

Adaptable Programmable Video Processor
PureVideo's programmable technology adapts to new video encoding formats as they are developed to provide a future-proof video solution.

High-Definition H.264, MPEG-2 and WMV Hardware Acceleration
Smoothly playback H.264, MPEG-2, and W MV video including WMV HD with minimal CPU usage so the PC is free to do other work.


Advanced Spatial Temporal De-Interlacing
Smoothes video and DVD playback on progressive displays to deliver a crisp, clear picture that rivals high-end home theater systems.

High-Quality Scaling
High-quality scaling technology delivers a clear, clean image at any window size, including full-screen HDTV resolutions up to 1080p.

Video Color Correction
Corrects differences in color characteristics of RGB monitors and TV monitors through NVIDIA PureVideo's ProcAmp Color Controls setting, such as PureVideo s ProcAmp Color Controls setting, such as ensures videos are not too dark, overly bright, or washed out regardless of the video format or display.

Integrated HDTV Encoder
Provides analog TV-output (Component/Composite/S-Video) up to 1080i resolution.

128-Bit Memory Interface
Delivers more memory bandwidth and efficiency to power the latest games and applications at blazing speeds.

NVIDIA® UltraShadow™ II Technology
Enhances the performance of bleeding-edge games, like id Software's DOOM 3, that feature complex scenes with multiple light sources and objects.

128-Bit Studio-Precision Computation
128-bit studio-precision computation through the entire pipeline prevents image defects due to low precision and ensures the best image quality for even the most demanding applications.

Full-Speed 32-Bit Color Precision
Delivers increased image quality with no performance compromise.

NVIDIA® ForceWare® Technology
Delivers a proven record of compatibility, reliability, and stability with the widest range of games and applications. ForceWare ensures the best out-of-box experience for every user and delivers continuous performance and feature updates over the life of NVIDIA GeForce GPUs.


• OpenGL 2.0 Optimizations and Support
• NVIDIA® nView® Multi-Display Technology
• NVIDIA® Digital Vibrance Control® 3.0 Technology
• Dual 400MHz RAMDACs
• Dual-Link DVI Support
• 90nm Process Technology
• Built for Microsoft® Windows™ Vista

I'm inclined to go towards this cheaper and a Nvidia spending $300 on a AGP card does seem a little silly and this way I can afford a new case for this machine too, now I need to find one.

[667th]_RaceM81
25th March 2008, 08:38 PM
the 3850 is one awsome AGP card mate go for it.
i want one but cant get them here so have to buy online.

an upgrade to PCI-E aint possible for me atm, from what ive been told from differant sites is the 3850 is the best card ATI have put out for a while in both its agp and pci-e formats.
its a little slower then the 8800 from nividia but will give your graphics a punch in the arse.

that said tho i would not use it on a power supply less then 500w true power it will run on less power but not well.
also will depend on what your current specs are and i think that your cpu may hold you back in PR.

with that card you might not see a big preformace boost due to BF2 and PR both using more cpu power then gpu, i had the X800 XT PE which was just the best card ive ever used and BF2 and PR both looked awsome but on full my cpu held them back.

with that card you should be able to run on medium settings no probs but if you wanted to just have a good card and not spend heaps look for the 2600 they are the sister to this 3850 and run a bit slower but still will work out about the same.

let us know what you go for mate..

Fallen.
25th March 2008, 09:01 PM
If its a choice between a 7600gt and a x3850 then have a look at this. http://www23.tomshardware.c om/graphics_2007.html?m odelx=33&model1=716&model2=1061&chart=278

2142 isnt exactly BF2 PR but its close. Even allowing a generous 10% reduction in fps due to agp its still a pretty beefy card at 1600 x 1200 31 fps.

:hi:

VisOne
25th March 2008, 09:19 PM
Meh ... I'm going with the 7600 and getting a new cool master case and still have a extra 40 dollars left. This is the last of my moneys I've devoting to this pc so hopefully it all turns out fine.

Psyrus
25th March 2008, 09:20 PM
Yeah let me just say the 7600GT won't really cut it if you're planning to play at pretty settings. My brother had roughly your config:

- Pentium 4 2.8ghz
- 4GB DDR 400 ram
- 7600GT

I think he averaged about 20FPS if things were on high, less in firefights (ie unplayable). He played:

1024x768 (non native res... ewww)
Everything to medium
100% draw distance
0xAA

FPS were >60.

I got sick of seeing him trudge through the horrors of medium graphics coupled with non-native resolutions... so I got the family & even my gf to chip in and now he has:

- Q6600 @ 3.0ghz
- My old 8800GTS 320MB
- 2GB DDR2 667mhz
- P35-DS3L (which I would choose over a DS3P anyday, unless you're going for SLI)

Total cost was about... $700 since I sold him the 8800GTS320 for a measily $150

And to reiterate... don't skimp on the PSU... I lost a whole PC to a PSU going boom :( The only part that survived was the graphics card... ironically since it was plugged into the PCI-E straight from the PSU.

VisOne
25th March 2008, 09:25 PM
This is what I have decided to get Black CoolerMaster Centurion 5 RCT05KKR2 with 460w PSU (http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.pht ml?id=10&id2=139&bid=2&sid=27294)and MSI NX7600GT 512M AGP DVI-I (http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.pht ml?id=10&id2=6&bid=2&sid=26346) I've had enough screwing about its being ordered and my wallet feels allot better without spending $300 on one thing.

Psyrus
25th March 2008, 09:27 PM
9600GT $200~
P35-DS3P $150
2GB DDR2 el Cheapo $77
E3110 $330~

new pc ahoy

9600GT ~$200
P35-DS3L ~$100
2GB DDR2 ~$45
Old CPU ~Free [Assuming it is skt 775]

So instead of spending $300 on an AGP card which will have to be replaced in the near future.. how about spending $350 and having a platform that can be expanded to a quad core, better graphics card and more DDR2 ram in the future?

But hey, what do I know... :hi:

VisOne
25th March 2008, 09:28 PM
JOXIE .... DANO'S BROTHER BUILD NEW SHINY PC LATER ON IN THE YEAR

I will not say it again I'm not upgrading/rebuilding or even touching the interior of this PC after tomorrow.

Psyrus
25th March 2008, 09:31 PM
JOXIE .... DANO'S BROTHER BUILD NEW SHINY PC LATER ON IN THE YEAR

I will not say it again I'm not upgrading/rebuilding or even touching the interior of this PC after tomorrow.

Righto boss! Tis true, your money your decisions. We were just trying to give you a look at all the possible options. Enjoy your new components.

Tubby
25th March 2008, 09:35 PM
I think you should upgrade!

GruAncH
25th March 2008, 09:38 PM
You must be the best big Bro Psyrus :)

mobius
25th March 2008, 09:41 PM
the 7600GT is pretty much a 6800Ultra(**** your GT will clock to Ultra speeds)

edit: download this http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz_144.zip

run it and take a screenshot of what you get. You might be able to update to PCI-e and keep your old ram and CPU :).

VisOne
25th March 2008, 09:50 PM
Bah ... I'm going to lock this now.