Military thread

[snowman777a]

Originally Posted by McDethWivFries

I find it highly retarded that we reduced 100 MBTs down to 59(?) MBTs, sure the 'new' ones are more capable, we'd prolly never deploy them but reducing your force by nearly 50% is a bit naff.

Oh and cancelling the SPA project, we only had two to choose from and one was at one stage a swap for what we wanted for 100 Bushmasters (Phz2000)

In all honesty, if we had to cut something down I'd probably flag the MBT's. The Leo's were never deployed, there hasn't really been a conflict we've been involved in for 20 years that required them (Although ET was close) & any sort of a conflict we're likely to be involved in anytime soon (SE Asia & the Pacific) really wouldn't require them. There's also the terrain in SE Asia & the Pacific, not entirely suited to MBT's, look at Indonesia's issues with them. They're also an OTS asset that we would be able to quire in great quantities very quickly if required. But on the other hand, we structured the other services (RAN & RAAF) to be able to move them (C-17, LHD's, LCM1E), yet we reduce them. In regards to the SPA, Labour government for you... .

[McDethWivFries]

Originally Posted by snowman777a

In all honesty, if we had to cut something down I'd probably flag the MBT's. The Leo's were never deployed, there hasn't really been a conflict we've been involved in for 20 years that required them (Although ET was close) & any sort of a conflict we're likely to be involved in anytime soon (SE Asia & the Pacific) really wouldn't require them.

True, although the IDF have shown they are a great direct fire support platform in built up areas as well as mobile firesupport bases (believe the old Centurions were used like that in Vietnam?) so there are other uses for MBTs rather than charging across the plains engaging other tanks.

But on the other hand, we structured the other services (RAN & RAAF) to be able to move them (C-17, LHD's, LCM1E), yet we reduce them. In regards to the SPA, Labour government for you... .

Yeah, nothing quite like building your forces around supporting some equipment types then cutting that equipment back...herp le derp moment for sure.

Re the SPA tho, I think both sides of Gov't need to take the blame for this one. Libs for dithering so long on it (plus knocking back the Dutch offer of swapping the Pzh2000 for Bushmasters) and Labour for killing it outright...

[snowman777a]

The new JASSM with the RAAF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDsXI...ature=youtu.be

The ARMA boys will like this

[McDethWivFries]

Originally Posted by snowman777a

The ARMA boys will like this
VBS2 - Amphibious operations, Pacific 2012 - YouTube

it would be great if you could get the models from VBS2 into ArmA2...

[Bammo]

Originally Posted by snowman777a

In all honesty, if we had to cut something down I'd probably flag the MBT's. The Leo's were never deployed, there hasn't really been a conflict we've been involved in for 20 years that required them...

I understand why this is a widely held belief but speak to anyone who served in Vietnam where tanks were supposedly an anachronism and they will tell you that the Centurions saved hundreds of Aussie lives. One of the interesting things to come out of almost every major conflict Australia has ever been involved in is that:

1) Armour saves lives
2) You can never have too many grenades - the moron's who insist that grenades be banned under initial ROE's are inevitably proven wrong; and
3) Mortars are an infantryman's best friend.

[slimstreetfighter]

Originally Posted by Bammo

3) Mortars are an infantryman's best friend.

it may be true, but we will NEVER tell them that.
also more of the new H&K 417 they are kick ass

[Fallen.]

Thing about tanks is it only takes a couple of months to get some out of an allies war stores and de-mothball them in a pinch and delivered to wherever we need them.
It takes years to train drivers and gunners and years more to train vehicle commanders.
It takes decades to build trainers to train these crewmen.

Allies will lendlease surplus vehicles but they aint going to lend us crew.

The current abrams are unlikely to ever leave aus but the crews trained on them are able to jump in pretty much any abram with minimal retraining and be operational wherever we have our borrowed tanks delivered .

Most people understand a fighter pilot is worth more than the plane in $ and training time. Well a tank crew is the same.

[Rhodesy_77]

The danes and canadians have been using their Leo2's for awhile over in afghanistan. with pretty good results. they place em up on a vantage point over looking the area where a patrol is to take place, awesome firesupport and a big moral killer to the insurgents, i mean who wants to get into a fight when you know there are two 120mm boom sticks waiting to end you and you have nothing to touch em with.

[snowman777a]

HMAS Canberra about to be loaded onto the Blue Marlin for its voyage to Williamstown.


HMAS Canberra & HMAS Adelaide in Spain


The Blue Marlin which will be ferrying to Williamstown


They should end up looking like this

[McDethWivFries]

Time lapse of the loading - sadly sans 'refloat'

Good gallery of pics

http://www.marinetraffic.co m/ais/s...?i mo=9186338

[snowman777a]

Originally Posted by McDethWivFries

Time lapse of the loading - sadly sans 'refloat'

Navantia - Maniobra de carga del buque Canberra en la plataforma Blue Marlin - YouTube

Good gallery of pics

http://www.marinetraffic.co m/ais/s...?i mo=9186338

[Xavo]

So they're gonna sail that thing all the way to Australia and then finish fitting it out here?

[Santa]

Yep, supposed to take 45 days.

[Xavo]

Man that's awesome. I'm still getting over the fact that there's a **** made to carry other ships around.

[Santa]

Technically if they really wanted to, the Blue Marlin could carry both HMAS Canberra and HMAS Adelaide at the same time.

[McDethWivFries]

Originally Posted by Santa

Technically if they really wanted to, the Blue Marlin could carry both HMAS Canberra and HMAS Adelaide at the same time.

they'd have to stack 'em high to do that, which would do some seriously rude things to the CoG of the Marvin. Is an amazing vessel though, like the Airbus 'Super Guppy' or the Boeing equivalent

[taters]

Originally Posted by McDethWivFries

...like the Airbus 'Super Guppy'

And then you can do this,

And then go REALLY big

[Shifty.au]

This is a military peoples, they say the words and do the things

they are colol

[snowman777a]

http://www.defencetalk.com/draken-in...kyhawks-44142/

[snowman777a]