Bad PR Games

[Gourmetrail]

"Please take the time to point out possible issues with other players in a respectful manner. If it can’t be resolved then ask for an ingame admin."

apart from the blatant bannable things like tk'ing, and spawn camping etc...

games of late when i play at least have been pretty sh....(adjective removed)

we're talking about minor stuff, like when i ask whether that 2 man sniper team is really necessary in the heavily wooded chechan map, seeing as theyre not actually spotting anything for the team, no rally, no score above 3 (after 50 minutes in game) not meaningfully providing support to any other squads. I asked these two suckers to join some of the more empty squads that looked like they were suffering, and they basically told me to get stuffed. id say i asked in a respectable way, and the response i got back was typical vBF2.

i mean its minor. but i quoted the whole teamwork and maturity thing, and it was like 'who is this guy?',

and i asked that this other dude, single crewing a tank - "waiting for his friend" - to join another squad so we could use the tank, instead of wasting assets. which is what he was doing. wasting it waiting for a friend to join.

im talking about minor things, but they lick me the wrong way especially when the retorts back via type tell me to get 'expletive' basically. and im sure other regs would agree

so short of reporting these people, which i dont feel like wasting my time doing that cos its so minor... i just wonder if other regs could grow some balls and ask players performing any infractions they see to stop (in a respecful way), you see stuff going down that obviously does not warrant a report, but certainly warrants the "Please take the time to point out possible issues with other players in a respectful manner" mode of talk then speak up.

i just find the servers are getting a bit crazy, and some active policing by regs wouldnt go astray, both to stop it getting into the admin report stage (less work for admins), and so new players realise GSA BigD servers arent for tards and that its not just admins that maintain a server play, but also other responsible players and regs...

i think that's something all regs can do. and at the moment, i dont see enough of it. i dont want to keep feeling like a loneranger ragin out and quitting cos i got no backup in game...im sure others have felt like this. PR is a good game, and BigD are good servers, i want to keep it that way...

obviously not always possible to have it your way all the time. But plenty of people are ranting about random players in these forums, and how the play has taken a dip since the new build. well here's my suggestions as above...

ta.

[Aresnik]

Originally Posted by Gourmetrail

i just wonder if other regs could grow some balls and ask players performing any infractions they see to stop (in a respecful way), you see stuff going down that obviously does not warrant a report, but certainly warrants the "Please take the time to point out possible issues with other players in a respectful manner" mode of talk then speak up.

9/10 times they're not going to listen to you. I'd rather just concentrate on your objectives, otherwise the screen gets filled up with spam as people start arguing and before you know it the other team has capped you out because they have they focused on the job at hand.

No point getting upset over something you can't control.

[EvilRooter]

Its great when the Vets standup and give a hand in keeping the game play running smooth. With the big influx of new players the admins would appreciate the extra feet on the ground. We cant be everywhere.

[CHARGER_76]

Im not really into the whole telling other players not in your squad what to do. Ask, dont tell, and dont expect people to do what you want them to do.

[Gourmetrail]

Originally Posted by Aresnik

No point getting upset over something you can't control.

hmm

but ok, valid point i guess. better to know from where other people stand on this.

im not asking for arguments in game. i just asking that people say you know ' hey **** could you not single crew, or hey **** can you join another squad that needs people' if they want to argue then i guess just leave it at that. If youve ask in a respectful manner, then thats all you can do. But i rarely see anyone doing even that...

if most regs response is 'dont bother', then i wont neither. and ill just keep my expecations of a good game a lot lower....


and see! community polarity already:

Charger says: "Im not really into the whole telling other players not in your squad what to do. Ask, dont tell, and dont expect people to do what you want them to do"

rooter has said: "Its great when the Vets standup and give a hand in keeping the game play running smooth. With the big influx of new players the admins would appreciate the extra feet on the ground. We cant be everywhere."

i prefer the latter. whats so personal about telling some random how to be a better player? if thats too much effort then jeez...

[Ultimate_Dogg]

Im happy to. After 0.8 leaving all the fools to play somewhere else I became used to a higher standard of play. Now seeing the brand spanking new players with many POOR skills and an elitist, rambo attitude I generally get annoyed every round. I always try to give advice to the team etc however last round on Kashan when after 15/20 minutes there were still about 20 people (no I am not over exaggerating) I started asking people wth they were doing and ended up getting some guy if I wanted to tell people what to do take over and command. I'm always keeping an eye out for things and telling admins in TS IRC etc.

[Noddy]

Originally Posted by Gourmetrail

if most regs response is 'dont bother', then i wont neither. and ill just keep my expecations of a good game a lot lower...

don't give up.... I'd like to see more regs starting squads invite a couple of friends in, then invite a couple of players you haven't played with before to teach them good habits.

I appreciate gaming time is limited for a lot of us - so we try and maximise our enjoyment - but it is our responsibility to build the community up

[CHARGER_76]

Originally Posted by Gourmetrail

whats so personal about telling some random how to be a better player? if thats too much effort then jeez...

telling someone to be a better player?

or acting like an internet tough guy and insisting others do what you want them to do? Bit harsh, but thats what the people you are telling what to do are thinking....

PR is still a game. Those guys in the sniper squad you mentioned have everyright to be there, its even a good thing they do it out on their own. They were not breaking server rules.

Individual right. Its a cool concept.

Its best to be a SL and look after your own guys, not everyone all over the map.

[catwaterboy]

Originally Posted by CHARGER_76

PR is still a game.

No, PR is life.

[Gourmetrail]

Originally Posted by CHARGER_76

telling someone to be a better player?...or acting like an internet tough guy and insisting others do what you want them to do? Bit harsh, but thats what the people you are telling what to do are thinking...

i cant tell people what to assume when i type, 'can you not single crew that tank', or ' can you join another squad and fill it out', if that's internet tough guy then so be it, i can deal with that. plus i dont mind what people think of what i type. i know im being reasonable, and ive never abused anyone or gone rageriffic on anyone. if they dont take my advice then fine, im cool with that. Plus i never "tell" i "ask". Because i dont want to look like an arbitor, but obviously i do anyway...apparently

Originally Posted by CHARGER_76

PR is still a game...Individual right. Its a cool concept.

very true it is a game. which is why the international declaration of human rights has nothing to do with a computer game server rule 'teamwork and maturity required'. especially seeing as we're talking about a PC game, not darfur...

Originally Posted by CHARGER_76

Its best to be a SL and look after your own guys, not everyone all over the map.

And thats why i think most clanners, or regs, lock their squads, invite only regular people, and generally closet the game towards a 6 man agenda. i know cos ive done it, and for the most part now operate on that agenda. Ive only tried a handful of times with the whole 'helpful ingame suggestion'. but arsenik and yourself maybe right in that i should just give up and play in a squad and leave it at that...and wait for community nights and the ladders if i have any expectations of public server play...

[Aresnik]

Or, you can try to communicate with other 'regular' squads on your team as opposed to focusing on the newbies sitting on a hill picking their noses.

That's where you'll get a bit of team work happening in a public server and make your game more enjoyable.

[CHARGER_76]

Yeah fair enough. Thats why community nights is an excellent concept. Both you and I have been around for a while, we both know how hard it is to pull off a well organised public server game - though it can be done and is a beautiful thing.

Such is life i suppose....

[Captain_Wolf]

You can't force players to play how you want them to, so long as they are not breaking the server rules they are free to play as they want, no matter how retarded that squad on the complete wrong side of the map is.

You can ask players to play differently but if they don't know you and are not in your squad then you have little chance of getting them to listen.

Your best bet to change player behaviour is to squad lead as much as you can with new players in your squad. This way you are really in a position to tell them what to do. Usually new players who get some good games in with a good squad are very quick to pick up the same mature, team oriented attitude that most of the regs have.

Make them feel like a part of the community and they (should) in turn become part of the community.

[1GeKKo3]

Yeah basically you can ask and I do it, but if they don't listen or ignore me I let them be. These are the types of players that will drift away from the game. I have had plenty listen and correct their actions and they learn something. These are the players we want to keep around

A game last night on Operation Barracuda. I had the option to ask for an invite into Wolf's WC squad and instead I made my own squad because I knew that they would do the right thing along the same line as me.

The game played out exactly as I thought it would. WC squad defended one flag and my squad the other and the remaining 4 squads just ran between the 2 flags as each one was capped because 1 squad defending is never enough.

I just laughed. In the end my squad did an awesome job defending swamp by ourselves for the majority of the round......Fort was under heavy attack for most of it

[Sgt.trip]

I had 2 guys from the vbf2 clan [45th] last night in, i must say a very disorganised squad i was jus dumped with. But straight away they said they havent played PR and may not be any good, so i told them a few pointers and put them on the right path, and they did great! Also another guy Noob...something, someone... forget his name, but he has squaded with me several times, he has no working mic atm, but he is a dam good squad member. These 3 players all said they were new to PR and would probably need help/pointers. These guys are keepers, if u see em in game invite them into your squad.

This sorta discussion happens everytime there is a new release of PR. Anyone thats been here for more then 2or3 releases knows this. PR will eventually weed out the new tards and keep the new 'good' players. But we must as a community be accepting, understanding and patient to all new players joining the servers. The good ones will come to you for help, and advice, but others dont, but that doesnt mean they are tards. You jus have to show them how good PR can be.
Gourmet that might mean over team chat asking ppl do this or not do this, but all u can do is ask, if they listen thats great, if they dont then there is not much we can do. They are public servers so anyone can join, and we should encourage new players everyday join and enjoy PR for what it really is. And the manual is a great thing the devs have made, and does help to read it to understand the basics.. but we should ram it down peoples throats. Tell them a few things then add "the manual that came with the download has loads more, and is a worth while read for getting ontop of your PR gameplay..."

Get them to join the forums and join a PR community team (bD, WC, N/A.. etc), tell them about the ladder comp and community nights, and the campagin we had and want to run again. Try to get them involved in the wider community and they will soon loose the vbf2 behavour we all dread and loath.

[Captain_Wolf]

Yeah that was a great game Gekko.

We really need some good squad leaders to step up more often. Even with only 2 squad leaders communicating over chat we had a huge improvement in team coordination and hence a much more enjoyable game. If we can get most of the squad leaders to properly coordinate in game on a regular basis it will raise the teamwork bar a huge amount and stop a lot of frustration that results from the usual comms void.

Squad leaders are really the ones responsible for whether the game is great or terrible. If you want to improve the quality of game play squad leading is the way to go. There are plenty of good SLs out there you know who you are, the question is will you answer the call?

[pogoman]

Originally Posted by Captain_Wolf

the question is will you answer the call?

when i feel like it

i only volantarily squad lead on maps i am familiar with, so just because i lead on one round doesnt mean i want to lead on the next, besides noone likes to squad lead again and again after each round, noone ecept wolf of course

[Deev]

Originally Posted by 1GeKKo3

Yeah basically you can ask and I do it, but if they don't listen or ignore me I let them be. These are the types of players that will drift away from the game. I have had plenty listen and correct their actions and they learn something. These are the players we want to keep around

A game last night on Operation Barracuda. I had the option to ask for an invite into Wolf's WC squad and instead I made my own squad because I knew that they would do the right thing along the same line as me.

The game played out exactly as I thought it would. WC squad defended one flag and my squad the other and the remaining 4 squads just ran between the 2 flags as each one was capped because 1 squad defending is never enough.

I just laughed. In the end my squad did an awesome job defending swamp by ourselves for the majority of the round......Fort was under heavy attack for most of it

I think I was part of your squad Gekko, or it may have been another round with another [bD] member as SL but I don't think so.

I laughed so hard when the SL was asked by a SM,
"Should we go to Fort and help take it back?"
"No, We will stay and defend swamp because in 2 mins we will be the only squad here."

Every time I have joined a squad and said that im new to the game I get all sorts of tips and tactics pointed out to me, not once have I had a player talk down to me because im a PR nub.

I have only been playing PR for a few days but I haven't had a bad game yet where I would be tempted to rage quit.
Maybe because I do not no any better on how the games are supposed to be played out.

[CHARGER_76]

good stuff.

soon it will be you leading squads to victory, Deev!

[1GeKKo3]

^^ Yeah mate tha was me. 2 mins rolled around and we were the only squad left at swamp.......LMAO!!

It would be good to have a system somehow on TS where the SL's for each team could be in the same channel. Would be hard to organise, jumping in and out of game to set up. But it's what the game really needs because of the lack of a commander passing orders and information along.

Team chat would be good for that but it gets spammed so hard at the mo its next to imposible. Is there a way to code in a different coloured chat for SL's, like the commander gets, to make communication easier between SLer's.