National Broadband Network (NBN)

[Chanvlan]

Well, this article popped up on NineMSN today:

NBN

I was under the impression they had scrapped the whole thing. But it looks like
it may very well be going ahead.

What are your thoughts on this?

[McDethWivFries]

if they do it right, great; if they do it wrong, not so great.

[CHARGER_76]

Gee, I wish the gov. would pay me $25m in consultancy fees to tell em its a good idea.....

[Psyrus]

Originally Posted by Chanvlan

Well, this article popped up on NineMSN today:

NBN

I was under the impression they had scrapped the whole thing. But it looks like
it may very well be going ahead.

Wow... if you're interested in BB or comps or tech or lifestyle or many other things, you gotta start reading whirlpool more man

http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...fm?t=143844 3

That is part 29. Each part has about 50 pages. Each page has about 20 posts. So there's 29000 posts you need to catch up on, the threads evolving at about 100 posts a day.

Some other threads of interest:
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...fm?t=134276 8
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...fm?t=143670 6
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...fm?t=143351 2
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...fm?t=128403 4
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...fm?t=142060 9

And if you wanna see the only real important posts in each thread, just append "&ux=21915" to the end of each link like this:
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...60 9&ux=21915

[McDethWivFries]

Originally Posted by Psyrus

And if you wanna see the only real important posts in each thread, just append "&ux=21915" to the end of each link like this:
http://forums.whirlpool.net .au/for...60 9&ux=21915

i'll buy a thousand for 50c please (o;

[bishos30]

It's a total waste of money.

$43 billion dollars to supply 9 out of 10 homes in Aus with access to decent broadband. And of those homes maybe what, 2 or 3 of them are going to be willing to pay an extra $100 a month for the fast speed.

Only goverments and business are going to need the speeds that it provides any time soon. Start with them and then make a system you can expand from and stop wasting time and money.

Wasn't the whole thing meant to cost $5 bill to start with?

[Psyrus]

Originally Posted by bishos30

It's a total waste of money.

$43 billion dollars to supply 9 out of 10 homes in Aus with access to decent broadband. And of those homes maybe what, 2 or 3 of them are going to be willing to pay an extra $100 a month for the fast speed.

Only goverments and business are going to need the speeds that it provides any time soon. Start with them and then make a system you can expand from and stop wasting time and money.

Wasn't the whole thing meant to cost $5 bill to start with?

That's just about the most misinformation I've seen about the NBN in a single post since the debate has started, here's a ribbon!

[McDethWivFries]

The thing i find really funny about the whole thing is how they were saying that rural areas would get access to fast broadband first... its been 3 years since they canned the Howard gov'ts wireless rollout to rural areas which was pretty close to being started when they canned it yet if you look at this from a private business enterprise, why the hell would you roll out quick net access at a huge cost to yourself in areas where it is going to have the least amount of return?

They sure couldn't let a Lib project provide services to an area that is normally a good source of votes for the Libs/Nats (aka rural areas), hell from Capt Carp & Village Idiots perspective its a win win, they can a project which wont benefit the ALP as those who do benefit generally dont vote for em.

While wireless may not be the be all end all for cities etc, it is certainly a lot better than satallite/dialup combo they are stuck with out bush. Hell its perfect as the infrastructure to get it in costs a fraction of what it would to put copper/fibre down!

[Psyrus]

Originally Posted by McDethWivFries

While wireless may not be the be all end all for cities etc, it is certainly a lot better than satallite/dialup combo they are stuck with out bush. Hell its perfect as the infrastructure to get it in costs a fraction of what it would to put copper/fibre down!

LTE/Wimax deployments are very possible and in fact quite likely by the current market (you might be aware of the Vividwireless deployment in Perth) especially considering Telstra's recent rumours about looking at LTE as the successor to HSDPA (nextG). That would then cover 98% would it not?

There's no denying that Coonan's plan with OPEL was a decent stopgap measure to lessen the metro-rural gap in terms of actual bandwidth capacity, but with only ~800m in budget I was skeptical that it would've been able to run the backhaul to support the Wimax towers. If it would've been able to piggyback off Telstra's mobile infrastructure (towers) it would've made the venture easily viable but relations with the government & Telstra were already down the tubes thanks to the mexican.

[McDethWivFries]

Originally Posted by Psyrus

thanks to the mexican.

*GASP* you nasty racist you! (o;

you'd be surprised what you can get in the radio/wireless market for $800mil, doubt it would've given 100% coverage but with there being fibre runs to most major regional centers (not just Telstra owned fibre either) it should just be a matter of puting up decent towers with decent equipment.

One way you 'could' save a bit of money is using the old UHF repeater towers and mounting your wireless gear on that. Certain country parts still have the towers up (well central desert area does anyway) so theoreticaly, if the tower is still sound you could mount your radios/antennas on those.

[bishos30]

Originally Posted by Psyrus

That's just about the most misinformation I've seen about the NBN in a single post since the debate has started, here's a ribbon!

Really? Why's that?

I'm pretty sure th NBN started out at about $5 billion in tax payer dollars and now it's about what? $25 bill? That's alot of money not going to Education. Law Enforcement and Health. Given we could possibly see another one or two goverments in power before it's finished (or even started rolling out) you can almost guarantee that that will blow out to a bigger figure. I can think of alot better things to spend that money on then getting domestic houses faster internet.

Government departments, yes. Small and large businesses, yes. Hospitals, yes. Police, yes. Schools, yes.

Your mate with his 3mbps ADSL connection. No.

[Psyrus]

Originally Posted by bishos30

Really? Why's that?

I'm pretty sure th NBN started out at about $5 billion in tax payer dollars and now it's about what? $25 bill? That's alot of money not going to Education. Law Enforcement and Health. Given we could possibly see another one or two goverments in power before it's finished (or even started rolling out) you can almost guarantee that that will blow out to a bigger figure. I can think of alot better things to spend that money on then getting domestic houses faster internet.

Government departments, yes. Small and large businesses, yes. Hospitals, yes. Police, yes. Schools, yes.

Your mate with his 3mbps ADSL connection. No.

Oh I wasn't talking about the priorities, everyone has their own list of 'what would be best to spend XYZ dollars on', and you're definitely entitled to yours. I was referring specifically to your list of 'facts ' about the NBN, almost each of which was inaccurate or misinformed I certainly wouldn't debate the subjective nature of someone's opinion regarding if there are better or worse things to spend the budget on.

[JLycett]

Bottom Line is the NBN will help the city and the Bush will still be on more expensive second rate internet connections.

Right know I pay $50 per month for 7 gigs of data which is counted up and down wireless connection.

When I lived in town that same $50 gave me 12 gig down and up was not metered with a faster connection.

[Psyrus]

100[/8]mbps with 100GB anytime quota for $100?

Internode says yes!


Waaaay better than the other telcos with nbn plans.

Internode = awesome!!!!

[hades198]

i havent even got my free laptop yet and they going to give me broadband to go with my imaginary pc?

[Sandy_Beret]

Originally Posted by Psyrus

So there's 29000 posts you need to catch up on

ARGH

p.s. internode are pretty cool - they did me a great deal
compared with bigpong.

[Psyrus]

Cool little resource made by someone on whirlpool

http://spreadsheets.google. com/pub...xMldETUE&gid=0

[PinkFloyd*AUS*]

Originally Posted by hades198

i havent even got my free laptop yet and they going to give me broadband to go with my imaginary pc?

At my old school they gave the school a bazillion laptops, so basically each floor/block had around 60 laptops and the library had around 100 on the desks with another 60 you could borrow for a lesson or two.

So they probably gave us over 1000 laptops.

Technicalities huh....

[Bigsmokeee]

wish st.helens was in the stage 1 rollout bloody scottsdale aint got S**T on us! bloody spud diggers...

[captncrunch240]

clarence point is better than you both